Wednesday, 31 December 2008

This is not what they fought for

Brigadier John Platt

Let us make it clear. For a long time I have not subscribed to the myth that Our Hospitals and Nurses are the greatest in the world. They might have been once but that was a long time ago.

A time that would have been remembered when the person I am going to write about now, was alive and in his prime.

In his day, God help the Nurse who allowed a patient in her care to get even a bed sore let alone lie in a soiled bed. These days Nurses demand porters to "turn" a patient in case they get a bad back and over 30,000 patients a year die as a result of dirty wards and practices by indifferent nursing staff and Doctors.

Whilst dying of old age, a 101 year old war hero, Brigadier John Platt who was awarded the Distinguished Service Order for his bravery in Battle whilst fighting to make a home fit for heroes, was send home to die in a nappy. Perhaps it would have been better for him to have died of the wounds he received in battle then live to see what happened to the country he fought and bled for.

This brave man, who had served Our Country so well was betrayed, degraded and humiliated by his treatment in Salisbury District Hospital. His earing aid stepped on, his false teeth gone "missing" and left to lie surrounded by soiled pyjamas.

Unable to feed himself he was discharged in a confused state and clutching just a bag of dirty clothes and died five days later.

His daughter-in-law Amanda described his treatment as ‘disgraceful’.
She added: ‘All that he had at the end of his 101 years was his dignity and they took that away from him.

You just don’t do that to people … I was so furious. I think respect in that situation is the same as compassion.

I just can’t believe that any hospital would keep excrement-covered clothing in a locker for five days. I got the impression this lack of attention must be endemic because it was so lightly treated.
Do you think that a British National Party government would allow this kind of treatment of any of our elderly, let alone a War Hero? You know they would not.

By now those responsible for this disgusting treatment would be queuing up in Job Centers during the day and doing community work cleaning public toilets in the evening and their pensions removed. They would not get away with the half hearted apology that they have now.

God forgive these people because the British National Party will not.

If you want decent treatment and fairness for the elderly then get up of your knees and fight back. Join the BNP or live in shame for ever.


Polish road signs are now a common sight all over Our Country

Right I am going to do something a little different with what may be the penultimate post of the year.

But before I start it, I would like to give a public thank you to Ancient Brit who provided me with the information I will be publishing.

Although I have never met The Lady, she as been instrumental in providing the Green Arrow Blog and Forum with information and works tirelessly behind the scenes(along with others) doing unpaid research work.

On a personal level she as assisted financially in keeping the Green Arrow machine rolling with its large (to me on a pension) monthly outgoings.

But an even greater contribution from her, is that when I am down, she is there to pick me up and set me off again. So thank you Ancient Brit, my kinsman and sister.

That said. Let's Roll.....

Yesterday, I wrote an article called Llanelli Politicians and the BNP, today we carry on with an expose that will give you a glimpse of the truth about what is happening not only in Wales but also the rest of Great Britain.

I am going to publish an entire government document and will use italics and embolden parts of it to highlight points I consider of interest.

I would like others more capable than myself to take it away and add comments under the relevant parts. I am sure that as you read it you will have many comments of your own.

It is a long document but I ask you to persevere and read it. If it was not important I would not publish it.....


House of COMMONS





TUESday 20 November 2007


Evidence heard in Public Questions 1461 - 1533


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Oral Evidence

Taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee

on Tuesday 20 November 2007

Members present

Dr Hywel Francis, in the Chair

Nia Griffith

Mr David Jones

Mr Martyn Jones

Albert Owen

Hywel Williams

Mark Williams


Memorandum submitted by The Polish-Welsh Mutual Association

Examination of Witnesses

Witnesses: Mr Jeff Hopkins, Chairman, and Ms Halina Ashley, Polish Centre Manager and Secretary, The Polish-Welsh Mutual Association, gave evidence.

Q1461 Chairman: Good morning and welcome to the Welsh Affairs Committee. Could I ask you to introduce yourselves for the record, please?

Mr Hopkins: I will be a gentleman and introduce Halina first! Halina is the Manager of our Polish Centre in Llanelli. We have submitted a memorandum explaining when we started. I am Jeff Hopkins, the General Manager of the Credit Union and Chairman of the Polish-Welsh Mutual Association in Llanelli. The Polish-Welsh Association began in 2006 when the Welsh Assembly Government gave us some money and we were able to move the work we were doing out of the Credit Union into the Polish Centre which the Credit Union had acquired for further expansion and building.

Q1462 Chairman: Could I begin by thanking you for the memorandum you sent us which was very helpful in preparing for this session. Could you outline the main services that your organisation offers to migrant workers in Llanelli?

Ms Ashley: There is an appendix at the back of the memorandum and the services we have provided over the past 12 months are listed there. We have actually dealt with 6,816 queries. We do a lot of things which are not listed here, like telephone translations and we assist with medical examinations and visits to solicitors. We do anything people require of us.

Q1463 Chairman: Could you tell me whether there are other similar organisations in other parts of Wales or in other parts of the United Kingdom?

Ms Ashley: No, definitely not. We seem to be unique in the UK. For instance, in London there were Polish communities established and when new arrivals came to this country they were seeking support from the older generation, from the old immigration as they call it. In Wales, specifically in Llanelli, there were only three women of Polish origin and so there was no community as such.

Q1464 Chairman: Have you actually established relationships with those older Polish communities in the United Kingdom?

Ms Ashley: No. We do not have any contact. People seek and find us. We are getting telephone calls for help from all over the United Kingdom.

Q1465 Mark Williams: In my constituency, in Ceredigion, we have something like 400 Polish residents.

Ms Ashley: We are serving those as well.

Q1466 Mark Williams: Particularly in rural areas where there is not a big concentration of people but they are very much individuals, individual families, the student community and people working on individual farms, you are helping those people as well, are you? They are finding you, are they?

Ms Ashley: Yes, when they are in trouble. They do not come for everyday things like they come to the Centre for, but they do come when they have an employment problem. There is a lot of exploitation going on. We put them in touch with solicitors. When they have a serious problem they come to us.

Q1467 Hywel Williams: Do you have any contact with Dom Polska, which is a long-established retirement home for Polish people?

Ms Ashley: No, we do not.

Q1468 Hywel Williams: I am just thinking in terms of some people who have been in the United Kingdom for 40, 50 or 60 years.

Ms Ashley: They are really getting on now, with respect. They would not be able to help. The new generation's children and grandchildren perhaps do not even speak Polish.

Q1469 Albert Owen: I want to continue the theme of relationships with other organisations. You say in your memorandum that prior to your inception it was the credit unions, politicians and trade unions that set up this help for migrant workers. Does that relationship still exist? How do you liaise with groups such as the police, local churches and education providers? You said that language was a big issue. How does that mechanism work?

Ms Ashley: We do. As everybody who knows us knows, we are very, very busy. We have a very good working relationship with the council, the police, with medical associations and with voluntary organisations as well. We have a lot of meetings and we are trying to improve our services constantly. The relationship between the Credit Union and the Polish Association is financial. As these people are excluded for the first three years from access to any credit the Credit Union is able to provide this credit for them. It is not extortionate amounts, just a couple of thousand pounds.

Albert Owen: For instance, do they come into the Association's building for financial advice or do individuals go to the Credit Union?

Ms Ashley: People come for financial advice when they are in trouble financially, but this is not the case with Polish migrants. Polish people have everyday problems dealing with utilities, accommodation problems, work problems, but as far as their finances are concerned, what the Credit Union offers them is the savings facility and then short-term loans to go back home to visit their family, to buy cars or for housing bonds, which would have been impossible for them to get from the mainstream backing. If they need to change accommodation they are forced to go to high interest lenders, like Shopacheck or Providence.

Q1471 Albert Owen: Mr Atkins, prior to the Association you say there was a relationship with the unions and politicians and that is continuing. We have taken evidence from agencies and there are issues there. Do the trade unions actively encourage the migrant workers from Poland to join the unions or give advice?

Mr Hopkins: We encourage the Polish workers from Poland to join the trade unions. The trade unions have come alive to that. Halina went to the British TUC Conference in Brighton this year and she spoke at a fringe meeting there. We have had a continuous relationship with the Wales TUC and in particular with Unite as it is now. We have accessed funds through the Welsh Assembly Government that has come through the trade union movement in terms of education where we have put in two IT facilities, where Polish people come in off the street to us and they can use the computers and talk to Poland or whatever they like with them.

Albert Owen: We have had evidence from the police in various inquiries to say that there is an issue with migrant workers coming to the area not understanding the language and needing translators and facilities like that. Do you provide that direct to the police?

Ms Ashley: Yes. Some of our staff are on the books of the police. We do a lot of work unofficially as well.

Mr Hopkins: I think you are on dangerous ground here to be quite frank. The chief constable has retired today and I have been reading all the nice things in the papers that are probably coming from some of you gentlemen sitting round the table. The way we have seen it is that they do not actually record crimes. You try and report a crime and it does not happen.

Q1473 Albert Owen: The issue I was raising was mainly the language issue.

Mr Hopkins: That is separate. When Polish people run into trouble we have had difficulty getting the crime recorded.

Albert Owen: And this is a separate inquiry that we are doing. It is the help offered to the migrant workers that I am looking for. For instance, you said there is contact with the police. If a solicitor was appointed to a migrant worker and there was a difficulty with languages, you would then assist the solicitor, would you?

Ms Ashley: Yes. We do assist quite a lot.

Albert Owen: Thank you very much. Again, Mr Hopkins, in your opening remarks and in your memorandum you have touched on grants that you receive from the Welsh Assembly Government and that is up to 2009. What sort of business plan have you got post-2009?

Mr Hopkins: That is difficult to answer.

Ms Ashley: To carry on and improve the services which we are providing and if we cannot afford the time we will be doing outreach surgeries in Carmarthen and perhaps Swansea.

Albert Owen: What sort of additional services? We have talked about the computer shop and IT skills. Do you envisage holding your own educational courses for migrant workers?

Ms Ashley: We do, and that is financed by the TGWU. Mainstream education is failing migrant workers because of their circumstances and because of their age. The provision of English lessons in English as a second language is accessible but it is not suitable for them. They seem to join the course and then just resign. We have talked to them and explored what the problem is. For a start, employers do not need them to speak English so there is no incentive there. We have established a conversation club which meets every two weeks and we encourage them to speak with volunteers. We are giving them "survival" English. We are acting out situations, which the volunteers help us to do, to break them in to speaking English and we given them materials, which we produce ourselves, and this seems to work. We get between 32 and 37 people at each meeting.

Q1477 Albert Owen: And you wish that to continue post-2009?

Ms Ashley: Yes.

Q1478 Albert Owen: Where do you see the funding coming from post-2009?

Ms Ashley: We will see what the situation will be like.

Mr Hopkins: I think it will largely depend on the economy. It depends on the input of fresh Polish workers. As it stands today Polish workers come from Poland every week. That is because of the agency situation and the way they operate in the food industry.

Q1479 Albert Owen: As managers, coming up to 2009, you will be looking at submitting another ---

Ms Ashley: We cannot be self-financing.

Mr Hopkins: We will have discussions with the Welsh Assembly Government in respect of that.

Q1480 Nia Griffith: I would like to carry on a little bit with the issue of the English language because you say that is one of the major problems that there is. Can you give us any indication of the reasons why you feel that there is a dropout rate from the course? Is it that the content is not suitable or the time of day?

Ms Ashley: It is pitched too high. They can choose the time of day, it is available seven days a week, but they cannot get the numbers to sustain the courses. With us it is different because we are advertising it as a social meeting, an opportunity to meet English speakers. We hold a raffle to encourage them to come, we provide refreshments and during it all we pass on the vital information which they need on whatever subject. If we are doing something about buying a car and putting a car on the road, we give them the vital information in Polish on how to do it and the same with banking or whatever problems they are most likely to encounter whilst living in Britain.

Q1481 Nia Griffith: Do you think there is a need for very specific learning materials for people coming into this country? For example, Tinopolus very recently had a lot of publicity about some excellent bilingual materials they are producing for schools. Is there a case for commissioning specific materials of the type that you have been developing which are totally practical and very, very much what people need?

Ms Ashley: The pitch needs to be lower.

Mr Hopkins: I think you have hit on something there. Somebody said to me once that the British Army could teach a raw recruit off the street a foreign language in ten weeks and put them into a foreign situation and they would survive there. These people are coming to us with no English at all. They are just parachuted into our society. How do we get them that level of English in that amount of time? I went to a grammar school. I was taught Welsh. I do not speak Welsh because it failed, so I am a failure in those terms and most of my contemporaries were in the same position. The language teaching is not particularly good at getting you to converse with people. There are issues there. We have spoken to some people who provide English professionally and they do it in a different way to what the educational system is doing, they do it in more of a conversationalist way. Our teachers from Poland have adapted some of those lessons into what we do on a fortnightly basis with Polish people and we are getting some results.

Ms Ashley: We are also getting interest from Bangor University and Swansea University about the methods that we are using. There was also the suggestion that educational funds be used to create a course and then that could be available in the rest of the country.

Q1482 Nia Griffith: It is a real pleasure to visit the Centre where you are working on a Friday evening. Nevertheless, you are still asking people who have done a long day's work to come out again in the evening. Do you think there is a case for forcing employers to provide English in the workplace when people are perhaps awake, early in the morning or whatever, because they are getting a huge economic benefit and they could be putting something back?

Ms Ashley: It is already available but there is not the take-up.

Q1483 Nia Griffith: Because the quality is not appropriate?

Ms Ashley: Yes. The employers do not really encourage it because they do not care whether they speak English or not because they have the line managers who speak a bit of English and that will do. As long as they can force them to work faster and faster in their own language employers are happy. That is in mass employment.

Q1484 Nia Griffith: Could there be a case for looking into it?

Ms Ashley: There is a case for looking into it for one-man bands where they have to work one to one. They need to be encouraged to learn English whenever it is available.

Q1485 Nia Griffith: You have also highlighted the problem of a lack of suitable materials available in Polish. What do you think are the main items that are lacking, and can you tell us about some of the work that you have been doing to plug those gaps?

Ms Ashley: We are working on it. As far as the materials are concerned, we are working with Carmarthenshire County Council and we are about to produce a very detailed welcome pack outlining every public service that is available and how to go about getting it. This pack is just about to be published. I have not seen a draft of it yet. The final adjustments are going in now. Up until now we have been providing the information ourselves through the Centre on anything that they may come across, from benefits to DVLA information, absolutely everything they are interested in, banking especially. Banking costs them dearly and it is just ignorance. They incur charges because they are not using their bank account as they are supposed to. They sign agreements but they do not know what they mean, what they are committing themselves to and they are incurring charges. Sometimes it can be a few hundred pounds lesson to learn how to use the bank account.

Q1486 Nia Griffith: I understand that some of the agencies pick up a lot of money for introducing customers to the banks.

Ms Ashley: That is what the banks do. When the new migrant comes, instead of registering them with the Home Office they open a bank account because obviously that is the cheapest way of paying their wages. So they give them an introductory letter. All the migrants have their ID cards. That is the basis on which the account can be opened.

Q1487 Nia Griffith: And the agency makes money out of that.

Ms Ashley: Yes.

Q1488 Nia Griffith: Could there be better use of that money?

Ms Ashley: It used to go to a private account and it used to be £40 for every introduction, but now it goes to the company. The company introduces somebody and they get a fee for that.

Q1489 Nia Griffith: Do you think there could be better use of that money than paying it to the companies?

Ms Ashley: Absolutely.

Q1490 Hywel Williams: I was intrigued about learning English. There is a great deal of expertise in teaching people to speak Welsh rather differently from the way you and I were taught, also at a grammar school. Have you had any contact with the people who very successfully teach adults to speak Welsh, which is more of a proposition than speaking English?

Ms Ashley: We have only met two Polish people who speak Welsh and they have been here for a long, long time, but the children have no problem whatsoever.

Q1491 Hywel Williams: There are methods of teaching adults a language which is entirely foreign to them. Teaching Welsh to people who speak English is quite a proposition. Teaching English to people who speak Polish is less of a proposition because English is everywhere. There is quite a lot of expertise required as to how to do that among people who teach Welsh. I just wondered if you had any contact with them.

Ms Ashley: We have not had any contact, no.

Q1492 Chairman: Are you aware of the Welsh Union Learning Fund project run by the Transport and General Workers' Union, now called Unite, in north Wales where they have been arranging to teach Polish bus drivers English and Welsh?

Mr Hopkins: They have been to see us. We are in close contact with them.

Ms Ashley: We have just made contact with a lady called Jennifer who is funded by the Welsh Assembly. She provides a fun approach to learning Welsh. We are organising an event for Polish mothers and children to take part in. If this is successful obviously we will help them to carry on with it.

Q1493 Mr David Jones: Ms Ashley, you have referred in your memo to Polish migrants forming their own 'ghettos', which I guess, as a Polish person, is not an expression that you would use lightly. Could you explain to the Committee how this process of ghettoization manifests itself, and the effect that it has upon social cohesion?

Ms Ashley: It seems to happen naturally because people tend to gravitate towards people who speak their own language. If they have been in the country longer or they know how to arrange things they turn to them for help. They feel safer in their own communities because they can communicate with these people. I am a victim myself. I came to Wales to escape a ghetto in Manchester. I lived in Manchester for 20 years and it was like living in a small village. You go to the Polish shop and you see Polish people, they are all interested in what you do, you are working with Polish people --- Well, I had enough! I chose this country because I liked a lot of things. This is the country of my choice.

Q1494 Mr David Jones: This phenomenon is now occurring in Wales, is that right?

Ms Ashley: In Wales that is what is happening. If somebody can speak a little bit of English they gravitate towards that person. If somebody finds a house in a certain location they seem to join together. There are clusters of them. We have had four successive migrations into Britain in the twentieth Century and it has happened time and time again. It is only valid for the first generation, for the parents and then once the children go to school there is no problem whatsoever, they are fully integrated. They do not even want to speak their own language unless their parents force them or send them to their own school.

Q1495 Mr David Jones: You also mentioned in your memorandum that the government at the time of opening the borders with Poland did not understand the social implications. How do you think that we can encourage the establishment of social cohesion in communities that do contain migrant workers in this country?

Ms Ashley: You cannot do it top-down. It has got to come from the grass roots like we are doing. You have to respond to the immediate need. The government cannot say, "You must integrate". People trust us because they know we are trying to help them help themselves. We are doing everyday things, things they take for granted. Every day people come and say, "Thank God you're here. I don't know what I would've done if the centre wasn't here". Sometimes they come about trivial things, somebody's phone, little things, but they rely on us. There would have been a lot more breaches of the law through ignorance rather than design. You were talking about indigenous populations having problems with the newcomers. We are trying to alleviate that. It is a direct response to what the need is that arises.

Mr David Jones: At community scale level?

Ms Ashley: Yes. You mentioned about the government before they opened the borders. If people had gone out to Poland and sounded out Polish psyche, what they were thinking, what their ambitions were, what the majority of people wanted to do and what the economic situation in Poland was, they would have known that there would have been a flood of migrants coming here. They have always looked up to Britain. They fought together in the War. Britain was the icon for Polish people. They waited for the borders to be opened to be able to come here legally and just work, make some money and build houses or invest in businesses. They have their own ambitions. They cannot do this in Poland. There are no opportunities. They are seeking those opportunities here. Remember, the majority of them are highly educated people, people with degrees and they are wasted on packing meat. We have to take those opportunities as Britain since they are here and make the most of it. In order to prevent this we probably should have been thinking differently about how the Polish people were thinking before they opened the borders.

Q1497 Mark Williams: An integral part of social cohesion is going to be what you have said about the education system and children being a part of this. Have there been any particular challenges in the education system with children? I am an English speaker with two Welsh speaking daughters.

Mr Hopkins: We had the problem before the start of term where we knew children were going into the British educational system and they did not speak a word of English. We had meetings with the educationalists who said there was no money to do anything about it. We put it to them that they could sponsor some pre-school lessons and there was no change there. As a community-based organisation with some funding we did it ourselves. We said, "Okay then, if you're not prepared to do it we'll do it ourselves." We rented a home, we got the teachers in and we gathered the children together before they started school in September to acclimatise them, to give them an idea of what the classroom was going to be like, the sounds that they were going to be hearing in a school and the way the school is organised, so that they were not going from the moon straight into the British educational system which was completely alien to them. There was no real comprehension on the part of the authorities that they should be thinking in this way at all. That has certainly helped those children to integrate in those schools.

Q1498 Mark Williams: In the light of that experience and the good work you are obviously doing, has the view of the authorities changed? Is it changing?

Mr Hopkins: I would not like to say whether it has changed or not because the contact with educationalists at that level is not great. They make no contribution to the committees you sit on, do they?

Ms Ashley: No.

Q1499 Mr Martyn Jones: In your memorandum you are highly critical of agencies that employ migrant workers, and refer to work insecurity, low pay, intimidation in the workplace and dubious dismissal procedures as some of the many conditions to which migrant workers are exposed. I have heard some horrendous stories along those lines and I am in northeast Wales. I think it is a widespread issue. To what extent are you able to intervene in your organisation and solve such problems, and what support do you have available to you?

Ms Ashley: The trade unions.

Mr Hopkins: In 2004, on a Sunday morning, I was in the kitchen of the credit union and somebody stepped into the kitchen and I thought, "Oh my God, they've come for the money", but it was not that. The guy could not speak any English. I thought to myself, "Who is this chap? What is he trying to do?" I happened to look over his shoulder and I saw a Polish flag on the car outside and it clicked. I rung Halina immediately and she spoke to him. Within one week of that telephone conversation we had a banking hall, which is a fairly large room, full of Polish migrant workers all with problems relating to their workplace.

They were problems that we could not attend to, so we immediately brought in the trade union in an attempt to satisfy some of their problems. That has not gone as well as we would have liked it to have gone because the problems still remain. Some of those problems may be insolvable because they are on a political level in as much as we highlight the "O-hours" of a contract which we believe is the basis of all the ills that befall these poor people.

It gives power to the employer that has not been realised by employers since the last century in Britain. The way they operate it is vicious and callous, and they have no consideration for the people who work for them.

Some of these employers had a bad record prior to the incoming of migrant workers and they have gone from coming to a country that is fairly sophisticated in its labour market to employers who are on the very edge of that sophistication and it is a really bad deal.

There are no foreign people involved here; it is Welsh people who are exploiting them. The housing situation was dreadful but we have seen improvements in that. We have been badgering people and there has been an improvement, but it has not come in the public sector because the public sector turns the other way.

The public sector is not responding at all to the housing needs of migrant workers. I think what is tending to happen in the public sector is that is becoming a sink for people on social security. The low wage earner does not get a look in, and these are all low wage earners with families. They have found themselves in the high cost public sector having to find enormous rents. It is driving them into debt when they need not do so because the public sector has voids in housing. I had a meeting last week with the county council and I said how I found it quite ridiculous to see the voids in the streets when there are poor, low paid workers struggling in high cost accommodation.

Q1500 Mr Martyn Jones: The point I was trying to make was what can you do about the intimidation?

Mr Hopkins: We have had a meeting with the Gangmasters Licensing Authority. They sent two of their senior officers to see us and basically they gave the local agency a clean bill of health. They wrote back to us and said there was very little they could do following our conversations with them, which we found quite astonishing.

Q1501 Mr Martyn Jones: I am surprised to hear that you have not had any contact with the police.

Mr Hopkins: The police look the other way.

Mr Martyn Jones: I have dealt with the police through the trade union in northeast Wales and we have had some success, although to be fair, the police in north Wales have got a Polish speaking officer and this has been a great help. Have you not found that in your area?

Mr Hopkins: We have. At the street level the police are fine, but when it comes to the reporting of crime - and it happens in our society as well - they come up with these figures all the time that there is no crime and yet we are working with people on a daily basis and find that crime is happening all the time and it is not recorded. We have taken Polish people to the police station to record a crime and we are having to tell the man we want it written in the book because he fails to do it. We have had terrible rows.

Mr Martyn Jones: In your memorandum you state that migrant workers are sought after by employers because of their work ethic and skills and that is something we have found, that they are valued as workers. What steps do you take to communicate the fact that, as is the case as far as we can tell, they are not taking our jobs or jobs off British workers? Are you actually trying to get that over to local people, that they are not taking their jobs?

Mr Hopkins: To be quite frank, there is an undercurrent of people that actually say that. I live in a street where I have Polish neighbours and Welsh neighbours and we are getting on fine. I do not come across the problems. I think a lot of it is fermented by newspapers. I think that newspapers and journalism ferment these things. They print fabricated stories that justify the way that they think. I think Daily Mail/Associated Press newspapers should be named, and I will name them, for the way that they operate with their reporters. They print scurrilous lies about Eastern European women. It is ridiculous what we have had to put up with.

Ms Ashley: We had to turn to our MP because of what our local newspaper has done and how much harm it causes through totally unfounded allegations.

Q1504 Mr Martyn Jones: I have to agree about Associated Press because I had to take a case against them when they were telling lies about me recently. You note in your memorandum that many migrants are over-qualified for the jobs that they do. How could migrant's skills be better utilised so as to contribute further to the Welsh economy?

Ms Ashley: There should be a more comprehensive way of translating the qualifications and helping them in the job market to fill the posts that they are qualified for. In our small way we have succeeded in putting a dental nurse in a job. It took 18 months for her to be able to do her job. She is a good catch. She has 20 years or so experience, but it took so long for her to become registered in her profession. We could do something about simplifying the system or making it more user-friendly.

Q1505 Mr Martyn Jones: Who do you think might help? Government? Local government?

Ms Ashley: I will leave it to the powers that be. It is not really up to our Association to judge or comment. If the facility was there we would be using it.

Q1506 Albert Owen: You mentioned how that when Poland joined the European Union the gates opened and floods of people were coming into this country and there were problems and you are assisting with those problems. Is it not the situation - and we found this when we were out in Poland - that people who are actually returning, either out of choice or forced back, are becoming mentors out there and giving advice on what it is like in Britain, not just about the problems but assisting them as well? Do you liaise with groups in Poland who perhaps the agents are also using to get people into this country?

Ms Ashley: No, we do not. There are so many newspapers, magazines, information on the Internet that they can pick and choose. It has been written so much in the press where most of these people have come from and we have got the clippings from the press warning them, naming names and they are still coming, they are still flooding in. They are still paying a lot of money for the journey on the bus just to end up in the meat packing factory in Llanelli.

Q1507 Albert Owen: Whose responsibility do you think it is to offer that information in Poland?

Ms Ashley: You cannot really stop it. They have to judge for themselves which information is good. If people are desperate they will not be checking the information or verifying anything. They just think my neighbour managed to do it, my neighbour is building a house, so I should be able to do it as well. So he/she goes and borrows £200 and pays the agency. They have three recruitment offices in Poland. That is why there is a pressure to bring them from Poland constantly, because that is how they make money, on turning over those people.

Q1508 Albert Owen: Do you think both governments have a responsibility?

Ms Ashley: The Polish government washes its hands off them. We have hosted Polish consuls in the course of our activities with the Association and basically their opinion is if they cannot manage here they should not be here.

Albert Owen: I know in the Republic of Ireland they have inserts of Polish media inside telling the news in the Polish language. Is that something you have considered in the area with a growing migrant population? Some of this is unedited; it is from the Polish community itself.

Mr Hopkins: I do not think there is any need for that. We want to see people integrated into our society.

Q1510 Albert Owen: The reason for it in the Republic of Ireland is that they did not feel they were getting all the information via the media or that it was distorted, which you have identified in your area. They have found that by doing it through Polish journalists producing Polish inserts in newspapers it is more balanced.

Ms Ashley: We provide a lot of Polish newspapers free at the moment because we have not got the funds to buy them. There are over 40,000 businesses in London and a lot of them are living off these Polish migrants that are doing all sorts of things and charging them for it. There is plenty of information. As far as the British press is concerned, getting them to pick up the British newspaper or getting them to listen to the news or to have British television on is a job. We are encouraging them to do that because obviously they are learning English if they use the media. This is a big problem because they have got Pulsat or their own satellite.

Mr Hopkins: They could all be in Warsaw. They know what is happening in Poland faster than anybody. It is a small world.

Hywel Williams: Mr Atkins, you spoke a little earlier on about the housing situation and you said that the public authorities have turned their backs on migrants. I am dismayed to hear this. I would like you to explain a little bit of why you think that. How is this communicated, the public housing situation, to migrant workers? Do they understand the difficulties of getting into that public housing system?

Mr Hopkins: We try to explain it to them because as they stay longer with us they become more aware of their surroundings and they become more aware of the difficulties they have with housing and the costs of it. They are brought here by the agency. They are put into agency accommodation which is usually overcrowded and overpriced, so if they have got any savvy they quickly move away from that and then things can happen to them, eg they may lose their work. In terms of the housing, they want to move away from that into better conditions normally, but the public sector is not available to them in Llanelli. It may be because it is in short supply.

Q1512 Hywel Williams: But there are restrictions as well in terms of the fact that you have to have residency, for example, are there not?

Mr Hopkins: Yes, the residency thing comes into it. That is another issue that we want to highlight where the agencies are concerned because the agency sends the Home Office registration document off. I had a lady in front of me only yesterday morning that had paid £90 to the agency for her registration document. She is having insufficient work with the agency to keep alive and she has now gone for another job. That new employer is saying they have got to have her Home Office document. So she goes to the agency and she comes back to me with a receipt from the agency in Polish, which we are able to interpret, which I want to give to the new employer and I said that it was insufficient, that I wanted the receipt that she had actually paid this amount to the Home Office and the number. The agency said there was no way she was having that. There are problems in relation to that. In terms of housing, I think the Welsh Assembly Government has got to take a look at that because they have got a responsibility for housing. In Swansea it would appear, from what Polish people tell us, they get much easier access into public housing than they do in Carmarthenshire. There is something somewhere there.

Q1513 Hywel Williams: I had a case last week of someone who had been working for a year without legislation at all and they had huge problems when they moved on. You also mention in your memorandum the problems that people have in accessing dentistry and maternity services. What steps are being taken to address that and to improve the system?

Mr Hopkins: They have employed four Polish dentists in Llanelli ---

Ms Ashley: One has gone.

Mr Hopkins: --- from Poland to work with the health sector. People everywhere have difficulties with dentistry in the National Health Service in Wales and I think that is being addressed not just for Polish people but for everybody that wants to access the national health dentistry system. It has been diabolical.

Q1514 Hywel Williams: What about maternity services, is that a problem? You mention them specifically on page 4.

Mr Hopkins: We have done a lot of work on maternity services.

Ms Ashley: CAVS and the Association have produced a leaflet which they are going to print. It is coming out any day now. It lists and explains every service provided by the National Health Service, telephone numbers, where to get it, where to go for help, so that when they land from wherever they would get it in their own language, it is available to them. That is how much they have done. In the very beginning we had terrible trouble getting Polish people in as patients. Nobody knew whether they were entitled to the service or not.

The last thing employers want to tell them is that they are entitled to statutory sick pay. As I say, there were three cases of people who died in north Wales. Luckily I have not come across anything more serious than high temperatures, burst ulcers and things like that where we have had to take people to hospital. In north Wales I do not think they knew where to go for help.

Q1515 Hywel Williams: I wanted to ask you about extreme situations, such as homelessness or mental health crimes. That happens in the migrant community. How is it responded to? Are migrant workers themselves thinking this could be organised better? Do they have any ideas themselves?

Ms Ashley: They are not organised at all. Whatever we provide for them, that is it. We have tried to organise a mother and children's group, there are quite a few Polish mothers and they are scared of the financial responsibility. They will not do anything. You have got to do it for them.

Q1516 Hywel Williams: I am thinking about the mental health issue. I was formerly a mental health social worker and I sectioned somebody who was Polish.

Mr Hopkins: That is a real problem. The first instance we came across it was when we had a man who we were friendly with who had come to us and we were dealing with some problems for him and he just disappeared. We discovered that he was in prison, but he had not committed a crime in the sense that he had purposefully done so. He had a mental state and he was locked up. He had been through the courts, he had had what was available to him, oral interpretation or whatever they had there, he had had his legal representative or whatever was available and he still ended up in prison. He should not have gone there, but the people who were dealing with him failed to recognise the problem. He spent five months in jail. He went to the courts in Carmarthen where the case was absolutely quashed by the judge. He should never have gone to prison. He came back to us the same day he went back to Poland.

Q1517 Hywel Williams: Are there any specific self-help groups for Polish people?

Mr Hopkins: We had a meeting last week with the Red Cross because the Red Cross have come to us now and said that they are changing - I do not know if this is for publication yet - the way that they are operating. They are looking now to work amongst migrant workers because the definitions are changing a little bit.

Ms Ashley: They put them all in one basket, migrants, immigrants, asylum seekers, the whole lot.

Mr Hopkins: They are all asylum seekers, that is what most people think or the Daily Mail would have us believe. The prejudice is there. The Red Cross is now looking at this section of migrant workers. What we have been saying is that when people get dismissed from work for whatever reason and very often it is not their fault, they go off sick and they lose their jobs.

They have burnt all their bridges in Poland, but there are no public funds for them, there is nowhere for them to go, so they get thrown out on the streets and nobody can help them. We have had whip rounds in the office and we have looked after some people like that. Halina has had people to stay in her house and so have others. There is no way the authorities can spend any money on them and so they just wander on the streets.

Q1518 Hywel Williams: How does the social security system respond?

Ms Ashley: They cannot. The door is closed. They are not entitled to anything. Social security would not talk to them. This is a big loophole in the system. It is a breach of human rights.

Mr Hopkins: This is where we have brought up the criminality bit. When you get criminals that have got no means of support, what are we doing about them? There is this question of deportation. We took the firm line they should be deported.

We take the same line as Mr Prodi in Italy, that these people are not wanted in our society because they have wronged in their own countries very often and they are coming in here. There is no public funding for anybody that finds themselves in prison and comes out. They have not done a year, they have no insurance and so they will not get anything. We are landed with people who could be dangerous in our society.

Q1519 Mark Williams: You talk in your memorandum about the lack of collaboration between European police forces. Are there any other examples you could give to illustrate your frustration at why the European police forces are not cooperating?

Ms Ashley: On 10 August or so our chief constable, who resigned today, went on television and said that there was no cooperation between Polish police forces, they have got no data to exchange or anything like that. He said that British police forces were ready to cooperate with Polish police but nothing is happening. Basically it is a free-for-all here as far as crime is concerned.

Q1520 Mark Williams: How big a problem is that in Llanelli? Quantify that for me.

Ms Ashley: There is a problem, maybe not to the British population, but there is a lot of crime perpetrated amongst the Polish population and people are so intimidated and frightened.

They would not go and testify because, for a start, our police do not want to know and they are too afraid to testify. They do not trust the police. We get a reputable firm deliberately seeking big guys as security. Some of them we know got life sentences but they served only 15 or 16 years for murder.

There is a whole family of them. They are all big guys. Everybody is afraid of them. Polish people know that they have got contacts in Poland as well. So whatever happens, if they testified against them here probably their families will suffer in Poland. It is all done sort of Mafia style. These people do not have to work. They go and have a drink in some company and then if they do not have any money, they grab them by the throat, they smash their head against the wall, get the card, get the PIN number out of the person, basically squeeze it out of them and they go and empty their cash machine.

It usually happens after the wages are paid, which is every two weeks, and then they bring the card back, throw it at them and that is it. One boy was particularly badly beaten up. His mother came with him and she said she would have to send him to Poland. I asked her to come with me to the police and to tell the police what has happened and we will put a stop to it, but she said no way because they will let him out and if they let him out her life is not worth living. There have been stabbings, beatings, all kinds of things amongst the Polish community. Nobody speaks about it.

Q1521 Mark Williams: You also mentioned throughout the morning session about the lack of enforcement. Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Why is that so? How is that problem going to be addressed?

Mr Hopkins: Every problem we have addressed with the TUC and trade unions as far as the work is concerned. We have got every possible law in place but nobody is enforcing it.

We have got a duty for the employer to have sight of the worker's registration document within a month of employing someone. They do not even know what the worker's registration certificate is. Nobody is informing them or enforcing that. Apparently there is a £1,000 fine for not having it. This is important to us. It has been put in place for a reason, because these people acquire their entitlement if they want to stay for a longer period of time here, like two years or five years or even longer, which is their right, but they are losing it.

We had people lose benefit and that is really life saving income support. One person became ill while doing a job here and she could not get anything because her Home Office document was registered too late. As far as employment law is concerned, unfair dismissals, we really need a strong tribunal to deal with cases like that so that a grieved employee can go there, place the case in front of the tribunal, without the fuss of solicitors and the process being as protracted as it is now. It should be made simple and easy and contain the need for enforcement either in the form of fines or jail or whatever, but it should be there as a deterrent.

Q1522 Nia Griffith: You mentioned the difficulties of people coming to the country with criminal records and obviously you will be aware that I have been pushing the Home Office to get a Sex Offenders Register across the whole of Europe. Would you see that as something that is absolutely vital? If we have our own Sex Offenders Register, what is the point of it if we can have people coming in from other countries who we do not know about? It is vital to protect our own community and to protect the legitimate Polish workers who can all be tarred with the same brush. If there was a proper system they would presumably feel a lot safer themselves.

Mr Hopkins: I agree entirely. We do not really live in a world where we come across sex offenders so often. It is criminals we are concerned about really. There are stories, I cannot prove them, which go around and they are that some of these agencies actually empty jails and bring them here just to make sure that they have got the labour force.

Ms Ashley: There is another kind which comes here, people with postponed sentences, ie people who have been sentenced in Poland and they have to wait until a place in jail is free so they can go and do their sentence. I think they do it in America. They obviously do it in Poland.

Mr Hopkins: When the hotel room in Poland is not ready they come here and they never go back!

Ms Ashley: We have come across a few in dire straits, without any means of support and we could not do anything because they have not been here long enough. I asked if it would not be better for them to go to Poland. The guy had not got a penny to his name. We committed ourselves that we would deliver him to the Consulate and from then on the Polish authorities would take care of him, but he said he could not do that and then it all spilled out, that if he went to Poland he would go to jail. So no matter how he sees it, he would probably prefer to live on the streets here and be free than to go to jail and do his sentence.

Q1523 Mr David Jones: Ms Ashley, you have painted a very disturbing picture of criminal activity amongst the Polish community here. Is it your belief that Polish organised crime in Poland is deliberately targeting the immigrant community in this country?

Ms Ashley: I would not say deliberately, but it is possible, it is happening. Polish people believe so. The Polish are terrified of them.

Q1524 Mr David Jones: You used the word Mafia.

Ms Ashley: I said Mafia style.

Mr David Jones: We know what the Mafia did amongst the Italian community in America.

Ms Ashley: This is the same thing. It is intimidation, it is frightening the children who are left in Poland and it is frightening the rest of the family if they do not provide the money that they want.

Mr David Jones: Is it your belief that this is organised?

Ms Ashley: It is organised to an extent. Certain families are doing it or certain gangs. I would not say they are organised on a big scale, but it is definitely a certain group of people.

Mr David Jones: Is it a growing problem in your opinion?

Ms Ashley: We are only talking about a small area, but definitely people like that must be in every Polish community here.

Q1528 Chairman: Should I be surprised that in all the evidence you have given you have not mentioned the Catholic Church? There is one other large migrant community in Wales today which shares with the Polish community the fact that they are strong supporters of the Catholic Church and that is the Philipino community.

Ms Ashley: We deal with them as well.

Chairman: And also in Port Talbot. Could you tell us about the interface between yourselves and the Catholic Church and also the interface, or the lack of it, between trade unions and the Catholic Church, particularly with regard to helping to get trade union recognition in some of these places where migrant labour exists?

Ms Ashley: There is no Polish church as such. It is all about communication. Although they are a very religious nation, they do not go to the standard British masses because they would not understand what is being said. The priest cannot convey any information to them. They have got a Polish mass once a month for those who know. We advertise it for the priest. I asked the Catholic priest for some cooperation, I invited him to the Centre, to come and meet the people and to invite them all to the masses. When you enter the mass they give you a service sheet and I offered to translate it into Polish in order to make the Polish people go to church and they do not. Only the ones who are preparing children for their First Communion and Confirmation and those who have children in Catholic schools are going to church. In other places congregations have doubled and more but not in Llanelli and I do not know why it is.

Q1530 Chairman: In other places meaning where, in Wales?

Ms Ashley: It is all over the country. We are talking about organisations that help migrants. Mr Hopkins: There are some problems in Cardiff with the church because there is a Polish club in Newport Road in Cardiff which has been there for many, many years, probably since the end of the last War, and the new migrants do not get any entry into it because the Catholic priest or some sort of committee is not prepared to modernise or move into today's world with it. They come to us and we have been trying to help them to get their ideas sorted and we are getting a similar association established in Cardiff. I think it is the leadership within the Catholic Church very often. It depends upon the attitude of the local priest and how much he is prepared to commit for that particular work.

Q1531 Chairman: We were in Poland earlier this year and we actually met the representatives of Solidarnosc because that union is much weaker than we perceive it to be, but they have international links through the European TUC and they work with certain unions like the GMB and the TGWU but very much at a national and international level and not at the local level. They were keen to be helping but they did not have the resources.

Ms Ashley: We do cooperate with the TUC. They have provided a lot of very good literature as well about workers' rights.

Mr Hopkins: I think the Home Office have got to be congratulated there. They were pretty quick off the mark in producing a document. The employers were not using it. It was produced for employers to give to migrant workers with a workers' registration certificate. It gave all the details that they needed to know, but employers never bothered to hand it out.

Q1532 Chairman: As you are aware, the Welsh Assembly Government is funding a number of studies into migrant labour currently. Are you involved in that at all?

Ms Ashley: They have not asked us yet.

Q1533 Chairman: Is there anything else that we have not covered today?

Mr Hopkins: I do not think so.

Chairman: Do you think we have had a fair hearing from you? If you there are other matters that you think about subsequently after you go away, we would be very pleased to receive further information from you. We are extremely grateful to you for your frankness and the comprehensive way in which you have answered the questions today. Thank you very much.


Well I hope you read it all or least the emboldened bits. It would be nice to see someone take it away and use this kind of information in a more hard hitting way then this blog can do.

Tuesday, 30 December 2008

Llanelli Politicians and the BNP

Quisling Llanelli politicians have spat their collective dummies out of their mouthes and and are throwing a strop over the fact that British National Party Activists have been - well active I suppose - by distributing copies of the Llanelli Patriot around town.

By all accounts they do not welcome the fact that the British National Party has revealed that the population of the town is now over 5% Polish and growing daily.

Huw Richards, chairman of Carmathenshire Council who welcomes the massive influx of cheap labour that has taken the jobs and houses of the true local people, denies the BNP claim that there are over 8,000 polish people, many of them criminals, now living in the area. He wants their votes.

However Huw is caught out in the lie by figures provided by WalesOnline, certainly no friend of the BNP. They also reveal some of the quality of the new displacers.

One incident which did not help Polish-Welsh relations was the jailing for life two years ago of Josef Kurek, 41, at Swansea Crown Court for raping a 25-year-old woman after breaking into her home in the Gwendraeth Valley.
But what really tickled me about this article was the discovery of the existence of the Polish Welsh Mutal Association of Migrant Workers who goals, paid for by the rate and taxpayers of Wales is as follows:-

• To facilitate the smooth integration of Polish migrant workers and their families into the West Wales area;
• To assist this integration through the provision of English lessons, IT facilities and guidance on matters ranging from completion of forms to dealing with statutory and local authority agencies;
• To assist with the development of the entrepreneurial energy in the Polish community by providing counselling and mentoring assistance to best harness this potential; and,
• To assist in the mutual understanding of the Polish and Welsh culture through the organisation of cultural events.

All good stuff hey? And all paid for by us. No money for our sick. No money for our elderly but plenty for the colonisers that are growing in number. Perhaps Huw should check out their link where they say themselves that the Polish "Community" is increasing in Llanelli.

But if you do visit the link you will see where Jeff Hopkins who is chaiman of the newly formed PWMA is coming from. He is paid quite a lump of money to sell out his people and make statements such as:
"The BNP leaflet, circulating in Llanelli, preys on the fears and anxieties of workers who are having to face the deepest financial recession in our country's living memory.
And who are those facing the deepest financial recession? Certainly not the Poles who have taken the jobs of the local people in Llanelli. They will not be having their homes repossessed come the New Year.

Llanelli councillor John Jenkins said: "We are lucky the BNP are completely irrelevant in Llanelli". I would not say that John. I seem to recollect that the now BNP Councillor Kevin Edwards managed to get 25% of the vote when he stood as our candidate in the Penygroes ward.

Well let us let Kevin have the last word.
"Not only were leaflets handed out, but we ran out of our supply of Voice of Freedom newspapers, as well as selling a few mugs and Wales BNP badges."

"Residents described how they were disgusted with the way Plaid and Labour treated them as second-class citizens.

"Without exception, locals treated us like a conquering army stating they would never vote for traitors again, and that we had their vote."
Way to go Kevin. Just the read the report and saw the images over on West Wales BNP. Well done to all involved.

Proud to know you. Funny how the Welsh Nats used to say things like this to the English. "Come home to a real fire. Buy a cottage in Wales" but now give those same cottages away to the colonisers.

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So have you made any New Years Resolutions yet?

Soon the whistle will blow

In bed at at 22:00. Read one paragraph of when to make a "stealing the steal" move in Texas Hold'em No Limit and then out like a light, with the light still burning... I never have problems falling asleep.

Click - and I am fully awake at 0400 the next day(today), so might as well get up and do some work and rest assured it can be hard, boring, tiring work. The novelty of blogging wore of a long time ago.

Quickly I respond to some emails(note to self. Update The Fallen List) and then scan the Green Arrow Forums last 40 posts whilst responding to private messages on a range of subjects that must remain private.

Bobby has posted one of Sarah's articles. Good. Mister Fox as posted a ray of hope about a Social Worker who was discovered to be a BNP member. Lots of good posts but too much to read just now. I will return later.

I feel a twinge of guilt for not spending enough time on the Forum and am thankful for the tight Band of Brothers that make it run without me. It continues to grow in membership and the bonding of the forum members is brilliant to see and I am totally confident that it will be around for a long long time.

A quick check over on Stormfront to see that as I expected, I have now been banned forever. This is not unexpected and in a way I am very pleased. It saved me having to make a decision. I will write about that in the next article which you will probably read first, such is the way blogging works.

Off to the British National Party website and have a quick check and see that despite their pre Christmas statement about closing down over the holiday period they are still distributing the truth. Those guys are workaholics and whoever they are, we should be proud of their determination, patriotism and efforts.

Flip to the UKTabloid site and see an article posted about how Stalin, probably the greatest mass murderer ever, as been voted as being the third greatest Russian Ever.
Russian Human rights activist Lev Ponomaryov said: ‘The younger generation is fed with myths about Stalin.

‘It knows nothing about the millions who died in Gulag camps but well knows he was a strong leader who defeated Germany’.
Depressing stuff and shows what happens and what is happening in Our Country when the state controls the Press and Education System. Control the present and you control both the past the and the future. Like I said, depressing for lovers of the truth.

06:00 and time to write something. But what? There is not a reader of this blog and other Nationalist sites who is not aware of the dire straits Our Country and Our People are now in.

I could write something on a range of subjects readers have suggested but my heart is not in it today. I am building myself up mentally for the New Year and our offensive against Our Enemies.

So I think back to last year when I made no New Years Resolutions and so I make a mental list of some for this year.

There is the traditional give up smoking. For some reason back last year, I started again after giving it up for eight years. Why I have no idea. Maybe I will maybe I won't.

One about personal relationships and then I see where my mind as been taking me without me even knowing. Next years Euro Elections and I make my real resolutions.

I intend to work as hard as humanely possible in promoting the British National Party wherever and whenever I can and by any means available.

No conversation to any person will not pass without me mentioning the BNP.

I will write, I will leaflet. I will sell papers and I will canvas until night falls and I go to bed and then I will get up and do it again.

I will attack, attack and attack organisations, political parties and individuals who are the enemies of our people no matter what price I must pay.

Then when Nick Griffin and other BNP comrades are elected, I intend to go find a quiet pub and get hammered.

So what are your resolutions for the New Year?

Messages to Readers

Councillor Kevin. I did not get your email. My address is

Anti-Zionist. Enough already with the articles:) I am now just rejecting them as they are off topic and there is little that you are posting that I do not already know about. I do my duty my way.

Monday, 29 December 2008

The Dude says Enough is Enough

In this article here, I wrote about the disgusting treatment of one of our kinsmen, The Dude by Youtube for his unqualified support and promotion of the British National Party.

Well The Dude is BNP through and through and as been recreating his work which will soon all be over on an alternative site.

Meanwhile can I request to visit his channel and Share, Comment, Favourite and Rate the above video please. The Dude gives his all for us. Let us give some back in the way of support. He is not just our kinsman. He is our BNP brother.

When you have done that, then if you have not already done so, then please sign the petition for his proper reinstatement to Youtube by going here.

UPDATE 30/12/08

Well in just two days, The Dudes new Youtube account as had two of his latest videos removed. It is clear now that they are persecuting this talented man. I have replaced the blocked Youtube video with The Dudes copy on Liveleak.

From now on this site will give priority to videos posted on other sites other than Youtube.

Councillor Joy Garner and the BNP

Councillor Joy "Slug" Garner

I have seen some sneaky attacks on the British National Party in my time but Joy Garner, Leader of the Labour Group in Stoke on Trent has made a move new to me.

In a press release to the rag Sentinel she has launched a personal attack on a Mr Steve Davies who has an off-licence in Burslem the ward she was elected to represent.

Mr Ward has been campaigning against the siting of a taxi rank outside his shop and one wonders if there was a political motive for the taxi ranks planned new location.

Because as she reveals in her press release, Steve is a member of the British National Party and she sends him this message;
Steve, the people of Burslem over many years have shown their fondness for beer, but please leave your BNP campaigns in Alsager as they are not wanted in Burslem. For as long as I can remember, people from different backgrounds have got along together in Burslem.
What difference does Mr Davies membership of the BNP have to do with the siting of a taxi rank? Does she hope by revealing the fact that he is a patriot and giving the address of his business out via The Sentinel that some state paid thug will burn him out of town?

If you are one of those people who are inclined to put pen to paper or pick up a phone then here are Joy's details taken from City of Stoke on Trent Council and Democracy site.

Home Address:
57 Greenbank Road

Phone: (01782) 768846

Mobile: 07986 442770

Bus. Email:

You can also register on the rag Sentinel and leave a comment of support.

Sunday, 28 December 2008

Imported Culture

By Sarah Maid of Albion

The young girl begged for her life, “Please don't kill me, let me live!” she cried, but her pleas were in vain, as she was dragged into the centre of the stadium where she was to die a terrible death. To the jeering crowd she was guilty of the great sin of having sex outside marriage, and for that she must die, no matter that she was the victim of gang rape, no matter that she was a a thirteen year old child. (Not 23 as the news media bizarrely first tried to suggest)

The child's age aside, it was a scene unchanged from that described two millennia earlier, where, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ confronted a group of men about to stone a young woman to death, with the words “Let he who is without sin amongst you cast the first stone”. Such words would have fallen on deaf ears, had anyone dared to repeat them in that stadium in Somalia, where no less than fifty adult men picked up stones and set about their evil deed.

This girl was not tortured to death two thousand years ago, but two months ago, and it was no isolated incident, across the Muslim world young women and girls face a similar fate at the cruel hands of their culture. I have decided not to include any pictures from the scene as they are too violent.

At my own blog, Sarah Maid of Albion I have also addressed the issue of the treatment of homosexuals in the Arab world, where, as one commentator recently put it, people such as the President of Iran claim there are no homosexuals, yet young gay men hang from cranes along the roadside merely for expressing their nature in a manner disapproved of by the cult of the dead paedophile.

I am aware that some Green Arrow readers have strong views on homosexuality, I do not share those views but will not impose my views here, other than to say I am sure that despite your views, like all decent people you are all horrified by such savagery, and grateful that our Western society long ago did away with the horror of officially sanctioned public executions, and the casual cruelties which are commonplace elsewhere.

Sharia law prescribes all sorts of imaginative and painful deaths and mutilations, for a variety of crimes, including many which are no longer crimes in our society. Hence it is even more disturbing to note that around 40% of British Muslims want Sharia law in the UK.

Whatever, the crimes of the child in the pictures above, I doubt they were sexual, and even the most persuasive of Islamofascists would have difficulty claiming that he was a rapist. However, clearly certain cultures believe that torturing a child in this manner is acceptable.

However, that is the crux of the issue, culture, and things which are viewed as acceptable within different cultures. The whole point of a multi-cultural society is to import different cultures into our society and pay them equal regard to our own long established cultures.

The question the supporters of multiculturalism fail to address is how do we prevent the sharper sides of foreign cultures from being imported together with the marginally less unattractive ones, because the answer is that you can not.

Many undesirable aspects of foreign cultures are already being seem within our British communities, just a few examples:

* Instances of so called honour related violence, including frequent “honour killings” are now regular occurrences in the UK, as are arranged and forced marriages.
* We have churches where children are accused of witchcraft and subject to violent abuse.
* We have already seen one instance of Muti killing - aka medicine murder (an increasingly common phenomenon in sub Saharan Africa) and a disturbing number of “missing” black and Asian children.
* Female circumsism is being practised in Britain and bush meat is being imported and consumed.
* We have a special police force (Trident) which exclusively deals with gun crime in the black community, and we have seen acts of Islamic terrorism on our streets.
* A new and far more vicious imported gang culture, has devastated communities in ways undreamed of back in the 50's and 60's, the Kray brothers not withstanding

These are not cultural benefits, and what else will follow.

There is no point in claiming that our laws will stop undesirable cultures from flourishing, because they patently are not doing so. Furthermore laws are frequently changed to accommodate newcomers or simply are not applied to them. Free speech was banned in Britain in the 1970's because of immigration, and as we have seen repeatedly, for instance with the Danish cartoon protests, only certain people now get prosecuted for incitement to murder.

As for grooming minors for sexual purposes, as we all know if the victim is white and the “groomer” is not, the police will not dare to touch it.

Year by year the ugly face of many foreign cultures are becoming part of every day life in Britain, and throughout Western Europe. It is only a matter of time before the very worst is here, much of it already is, gang rape was once all but unknown in Europe, it is now occurring with sickening regularity, and as events, such as the hideous (but unreported in Britain) 2006 death of Ilan Halimi show us, it does not take much to turn the streets of Paris into those of Baghdad.

Our leaders claim that we receive great benefits from immigration, but with escalating unemployment, stretched public services, and a health service beset by health tourism together with third world standards of hygiene, that lie is gradually being exposed for what it is.

And what of the so called moral argument for immigration, that we should welcome people here so that they can enjoy a better life than in the third world hell holes they are escaping?. This is self evidently madness, in that, in the long run, it simply enables the despotic or criminal regimes from which those seeking asylum come, to perpetuate.

If you live near a school where the teachers are murdering the children, you do not solve the matter by offering sanctuary to those kiddies who are fortunate enough to escape. At some point, someone has to sort out the school.

Offering asylum to those who escape tyranny, can only ever be a humanitarian act in the short term, beyond that it serves only to aid and abet the tyrants. Unless you believe that the entire population of the third world can move here, whilst, Africa and huge swathes of Asia and the Middle East are handed back to nature, as maybe some on the lunatic fringes of multiculturalism probably do, the international community must aim to improve the lot of the third world, within their homelands.

The so called benefits of immigration extend to some individual immigrants, but certainly not their homelands, to some politicians seeking to add to their voters, and to a small number of ruthless businessmen who believe that an unending flow of low paid immigrants will forever keep wages low. For the rest up us, the benefits are far less easy to identify.

Even those cynical politicians and businessmen may soon find the benefits are not what they imagined. Across Europe new immigrant based parties are popping up, and we now face an economic crisis, fuelled in great part by politically correct politicians forcing banks to lend to immigrants and minority groups, which has caused immeasurable damage in the financial sector.

Is it too much to hope that, at last, even they will wake up to the madness of the multicultural dream?.


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BNP Day minus five

D-Day, Sword Beach. Soon it will be Our D Day

I believe that your average British National Party members are probably some of the most politically well informed people ever. Especially if they have served their Country as an Activist for more than six months.

They learn fast. This kind of knowledge sets them apart from the rest of their fellow slaves on this open prison Island that has been created by those building the New World Order.

But just some people knowing "the truth" is not enough to reclaim and save Our Country. We need to let the rest of the True British Population know that they are just slaves. Milk Cows only allowed to live providing they can feed the new "elite" with their blood and sweat. Then they can die, in fact be encouraged to die. Easily replaced by the colonisers imported to replace them.

The New World Order will NOT STOP untill they have EVERYTHING and control EVERYONE. Only the British National Party stands between them and success.

I do not exaggerate when I say that what happens in Great Britain in the coming new year will have an affect on the future of the entire world.

Countries like Germany and France that should be helping lead the way need leading themselves. America is lost. The French seem to have lost the courage to fight. The cream of their Country died in the Great War. The Germans are still beaten down and brainwashed with guilt into surrendering without a fight. The defenders of Berlin died without children.

Two proud Countries that are dieing for lack of proper leadership and both not recognising they have been poisoned by imported leaders who care not for their countries.

Well Our Country, Great Britain. The Welsh, Scots, English and Northern Ireland that make it, have stood alone before. It paid in blood and lives and bankrupted itself in defending freedom. It impoverished it's people for decades to do so and the time is coming when it will have to do so again.

Why is it BNP Day minus five? Because on January the 1st, the British National Party will be going on the attack. It is our D Day but this time our objective is not Berlin but Brussels and we have six months to get there and by God we will.

Until now we have been defending. Now it is Our Turn to attack.

Our enemies are going to come at us with everything they have. They will smear Our Leaders, they will persecute our political soldiers (for that is what they are now) and they will lie, lie and lie to keep what they have stolen from us.

State paid agents will attempt to cause dissent and disruption amoungst us. Sleeper agents and traitors will be activated to undermine and sabotage local and national resistance efforts.

The state controlled press will drag from their archives stories they hope will prevent people joining us in Our Fight. Their fight. And many of Our People, not knowing the truth will believe these lies.

Their Judiciary will imprison some of us on trumped up charges and hope to silence us. We now in the resistance are now the start and leaders of the coming revolution. If you think I am joking you understand me not.

Our Quisling "Leaders" will make promises they have no intention of keeping. They will say they have listened to the people and will make changes. Their words will be just lies said to sooth the sheep people and milk cows to carry on slaving for them. They will change NOTHING because what is happening is what they want to happen.

But in their desperation for the creation of the New World Order in which they and their children will be the Masters until the end of time, they revealed themselves too soon. They grew arrogant. The trappings of power in their Ivory Towers have made them think they can get away with anything and everything.

Well all they have done is teach us how to hate. And we now hate. This Country should and could have been a land fit for heroes. Now it is just an open prison and we the people, the True British People have had enough.

We are going to take Our Country back and those who have done this will pay.

We have been exploited for too long. We have been fobbed off for too long. We have suffered too long. We want what our ancestors have paid for with their blood and lives and we will fight with whatever weapons we have to take back what is ours.

And so what is our objective again? It is Brussels. By sending British National Party members into that rat hole of oppression after the European Elections, they can help start an avalanche in Western Europe that will sweep the betrayers of the civilized world away.

And what can we do in this coming battle? Even if you are only a supporter you can help.

Do not buy the enemies newspapers. Why finance those who help oppress you?
Leave the communist trade unions you are in that now that helps fund the Labour Party with £7 out of every £8 it receives. Join the independent trade union Solidarity.

Donate to the British National Party. Our parents and grandparents during the last war gave up their aluminum pots and pans to build spitfires. We must do similar things to fund our war effort - because this is now a war and wars cost money. Now we need every penny you can spare, even your life savings because if the BNP does not prevail you have no future to spend those savings in.

And what about Our Activists? You must give even more than you have given already. You have worked harder than any to bring the truth to the people and it is starting to pay off as we have seen from recent election results.

But for the next six months you must double your efforts, if that is possible. You must sacrifice time with your family, time with your friends and give up maybe even friendships to help us triumph. Our ancestors sacrificed a lot more.

And what will your reward be? Nothing. Let us get that straight now. It will be nothing for a long long time. You may not even live to see the gains your sacrifices made over the next six months will bring. It will take years to repair the damage done to Our Country.

But your children will be thankful you fought now. That you stood with your comrades in the British National Party shieldwall and fought for their future.

And you will know in yourself that you did not live an empty life and just watch as Our Country was handed over to the colonisers who have no right to be here.

You will know that you stood with your comrades and fought for a cause that is honorable. That you fought for freedom and that as a member of the BNP family your memory will never be allowed to fade.

Enjoy the next few days my kinsmen because soon we go over the top and to victory.

Long live the BNP.

There will be no prison which can hold our movement down... The walls, the bars, the guns and the guards can never encircle or hold down the idea of the people.

The Top Ten BNP Moments 2008

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No. I can't do it. I was just about to cut and paste an entire article from The BNP Chronicle to save you visiting the site and then I thought. No, the guys really should give the place a good check out, as it is going to be right up there with sites like UKTabloid one day - and I suspect that day will be sooner rather than later.

The BNPC have come up with an idea that I hope they continue in future years. They have listed what they consider to be the Top Ten BNP moments of the year 2008.

OK, I was a bit miffed to find my Maiden Speech in Bridgend not on the list but maybe next year. A big hat tip to the BNP Chronicles and here is the link to their list.

Please do not forget to come back....I get lonely on my own:)